Comments on: “Heart” Stuff http://squarepig.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/heart-stuff/ Snorts about life! Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:19:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: timvictor http://squarepig.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/heart-stuff/#comment-98 timvictor Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:57:11 +0000 http://squarepig.wordpress.com/?p=26#comment-98 DJ, I'm not sure that's how that text is meant to be applied at all, especially not in light of SPs post. Our whole person, in fact our whole creation, is a bit at odds with Godde. The mind is in no better position. Every positive step is to be encouraged... SP, I think I'm with you. The heart is like a helicopter, responding slowly to direction but able to navigate the most complex terrain. From that pov the notion of small relational gathering takes on a whole new meaning, experiencing each other from the pov of the heart rather than from the voracious mind... I'll ponder a bit longer. DJ,

I’m not sure that’s how that text is meant to be applied at all, especially not in light of SPs post. Our whole person, in fact our whole creation, is a bit at odds with Godde. The mind is in no better position. Every positive step is to be encouraged…

SP,

I think I’m with you. The heart is like a helicopter, responding slowly to direction but able to navigate the most complex terrain. From that pov the notion of small relational gathering takes on a whole new meaning, experiencing each other from the pov of the heart rather than from the voracious mind… I’ll ponder a bit longer.

]]> By: deusjuvat http://squarepig.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/heart-stuff/#comment-97 deusjuvat Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:43:31 +0000 http://squarepig.wordpress.com/?p=26#comment-97 Yes, what we should do and what we want to do. I don't think discerning the will of God comes overnight, but I am sure it is possible. Unfortunately, it takes both time and includes the possibility of mistakes: two things which modern society is increasingly at odds with. Maybe that's why the saints can so easily be ridiculed. Speaking of high terrain, I've got a plane to catch. Hope the pilot is used to snowy high terrain (my garden is white!) God bless DJ Yes, what we should do and what we want to do.

I don’t think discerning the will of God comes overnight, but I am sure it is possible. Unfortunately, it takes both time and includes the possibility of mistakes: two things which modern society is increasingly at odds with. Maybe that’s why the saints can so easily be ridiculed.

Speaking of high terrain, I’ve got a plane to catch. Hope the pilot is used to snowy high terrain (my garden is white!)

God bless
DJ

]]> By: squarepig http://squarepig.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/heart-stuff/#comment-96 squarepig Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:41:37 +0000 http://squarepig.wordpress.com/?p=26#comment-96 You're right - trust you to put a spanner in the works deusjuvat!! I guess we do what we can to understand the "will" of God. At the end of the day only God really knows us well enough to get through both the thick skull and the devious heart (if it be so)....what exactly does the "Painted Veil" quote mean when it says "duty and desire"?? What we should do and what we want to do I am gathering...Even the "will of God" is a difficult concept for me to grasp. At times it seems clear and at times so elusive and theoretical....at times I am just thudding in the dry ground, a senseless animal. How do you descern the "will of God" in times like that??? I guess that's why it is termed the "high terrain" huh!! You’re right – trust you to put a spanner in the works deusjuvat!! I guess we do what we can to understand the “will” of God. At the end of the day only God really knows us well enough to get through both the thick skull and the devious heart (if it be so)….what exactly does the “Painted Veil” quote mean when it says “duty and desire”?? What we should do and what we want to do I am gathering…Even the “will of God” is a difficult concept for me to grasp. At times it seems clear and at times so elusive and theoretical….at times I am just thudding in the dry ground, a senseless animal. How do you descern the “will of God” in times like that??? I guess that’s why it is termed the “high terrain” huh!!

]]> By: deusjuvat http://squarepig.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/heart-stuff/#comment-95 deusjuvat Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:07:35 +0000 http://squarepig.wordpress.com/?p=26#comment-95 That's a really interesting way of looking at things. I guess my thoughts are just tempered with Jeremiah's thoughts in 17:9 that the heart is also "deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked". There is a great scene in "The Painted Veil" where a wise old nun calms the nerves of a willful young lady by telling her that "when duty and desire are the same thing, then there is peace". For me, maybe that is the true "place of the heart": The high terrain where the heart beats according to the will of God and where to do our thing and God's thing is the same, singular pleasure. I think when you reach that point, people can do what they want. They can even try and rip your heart out. But when you wake in the morning it will always, like The English Patient's, be full again. That’s a really interesting way of looking at things. I guess my thoughts are just tempered with Jeremiah’s thoughts in 17:9 that the heart is also “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked”.

There is a great scene in “The Painted Veil” where a wise old nun calms the nerves of a willful young lady by telling her that “when duty and desire are the same thing, then there is peace”. For me, maybe that is the true “place of the heart”: The high terrain where the heart beats according to the will of God and where to do our thing and God’s thing is the same, singular pleasure.

I think when you reach that point, people can do what they want. They can even try and rip your heart out. But when you wake in the morning it will always, like The English Patient’s, be full again.

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